@torproject endowments. You can get donations or ads temporarily, but long term endowments.

¿Esto se va a llevar también a los forks de Chrome? Porque si es así estamos jodidos entonces.

@fanta
"datacenter descentralizado sin concentimiento" creo que es el término científico correcto. DDC si quieres ser guay.
@tunubesecamirio

@fanta @tunubesecamirio

me recuerda al fiasco del ipod con el disco de U2 ...

@fanta @tunubesecamirio Hace años que no uso Chrome, no lo tengo ni instalado, en el tfno. lo dejo desactivado. Usaba Firefox pero últimamente dejó de ser privado 100% y me pasé a Brave quitándole las mierdas de IA y el wallet. Brave es bueno en lo que se refiere a la privacidad y en el bloqueo del fingerprinting. Alucino con esta historia. Google es lo peor, te roba 4 GB de ram del ordenador por su cara.
En cuanto a lo de #Antrophic parece ser que ya están negociando:
https://www.eldiario.es/tecnologia/elites-silicon-valley-acatan-orden-trump-abren-ia-militar-proposito-legal_1_13192543.html

@fanta Lo he mirado y yo no lo tengo. He mirado y también tengo desactivadas casi todas las mierdas de Gemini y amigos. Debe ser por eso. Supongo que seguirán intentando colármela

@fanta @tunubesecamirio Su puta madre en un pozo de ratas.

@Shine_McShine a que se rompa el sistema operativo jajajajajaja

@Shine_McShine Ni sé lo que es eso.
8-)
Así que no lo he hecho.

@Shine_McShine Pregunta muy de noob. ¿Hacéis los backups tipo copia pega en un pincho/nube de los archivos que son nuevos?
¿O hay alguna forma de hacerlo automático sin comerte todo el espacio y sin saber de ordenadores? xD

@stefano I was telling the solar quote man a similar story about why I don't want solar that requires over the air updates and has to sync with a cloud so I can use it. I want a well engineered system that won't fail after 25 years.

@stefano

It can get pretty bad

https://spectrum.ieee.org/bionic-eye-obsolete

@stefano the main issue is that often there's no possibility of choice.
If you don't want an alarm system relying on the cloud, soon you won't be able to install an alarm system at all.

It's what I hate the most about our times.
Everyone conforms to what most people do. I assume this is a drawback due to data availability and analysis, and marketing strategies adapting through those data.

@stefano OC Transpo has lots of information about how to behave on public transit on a light-up sign. the instructions for what to do in an emergency? scan a QR code. what could go wrong?

@stefano We have a wireless alarm system that just makes a noise, I rejected the SIM option as I wondered what I was going to do if it alerted me when I was hundreds of miles away.

The company don't offer this any more, a SIM system is mandatory, and you have to pay extra annually to cover the SIM costs.

@stefano Almost no one thinks about failure modes anymore.

@stefano

A few years ago, my brother bought an electric awning. He was really excited about it because, apart from the power connection, no additional switches needed to be installed. This awning doesn’t offer that option either.
Once set up, it connects to the home Wi-Fi and can be controlled from anywhere in the world via an app. Great! Right?
Unfortunately, the manufacturer hasn’t updated the app in so long that it no longer works on the phone.
The awning is now stuck closed and is just electronic waste...

@stefano many telcos have migrated their SMS infrastructure to the cloud as well.

@stefano too many people plan for how things work when everything is functioning as it should. Not enough people see the need to plan for how things work when everything is falling apart.

@stefano

True indeed...

@stefano First you sell your soul. Then the company that bought it goes under.

@stefano http://infrastructures.org/ is still a thing, but I missed the tower-like sea structure graphic they had up

@stefano
all my Life people laugh sayin I got my head inda clouds, now them's got their businesses, memories n contacts there, while da heavier da clouds get, da harder da rains onda rising plains ...

@stefano
What could be more simple for a power company than the customer reading their own meters and submitting result by trusted methods in use for decades?
My last property had ‘forced’ on us, wifi meters. The gas one (exterior) was too far from WiFi router so I still had to read it myself.
I am currently refusing to have meters changed.

@stefano Vorwerk recently discontinued the cloud services for their Neato vacuum robots, bricking tens of thousands of 500€+ devices.

@stefano Silly! The Cloud is forever!

Why, just look up at that gray sky and you'll see what I mean!!

And ever!
/s

@stefano many years ago worked in a state of the art data center just completed. Two outside power feeds, 2 battery rooms, just about everything automated.

A storm hit. Took down radio tower and the one water pump for coolers. Witnessing was spooky because all the fire doors were openly swinging in the wind. Back up lighting acted like an automated prop for a horror film.

Everyone had to be called in to manually take down everything before servers auto shutdown from overheating.

@stefano Ugh, yes. Looking ahead for even a year or so thinking about the maintainability of some web code is apparently already hard enough.

But alarm systems are _infrastructure_. Those go in decades. A decade is a _loooong_ time in cloud...

I'll remember this story the next time I'll be "dialing in" to our current alarm system at 9600 baud or whatever it is.

@stefano And what if the cell towers go down. Maybe that LoRa meshtastic solar node on the roof is a good backup.

@stefano Isn’t it a matter of network infrastructure reliability and ubiquitousness more than the tech itself?

One could have said the same about cell phone networks when they first appeared.

Your data transits regardless via a network service provider…?

@stefano

The new ones are 4G or Wi-Fi and use the cloud, so notifications go straight to your smartphone, it's not calling anymore."

Cloud storage I refuse to use any device that depends on it.

Local persons stood in front of fully charged solar battery's and were unable to use any power at all. There was an outage.

They made two errors, their device synchronized with mains and only works with Eco Flow Cloud.

My delta pro delivers, any time anywhere.

I no longer endorse eco flow...

@stefano and he didnt say to buy a new one?

@stefano The vulnerability tech giants have thoughtlessly placed the world in terrifies me.

@stefano

Yes. Like here,last week. A widespread power outage. So the mobile phone masts and repeaters were out as well, everyone's on fibre, so no Internet, no mobile phone, no landline.

#OwnYourData

@stefano

Same issue I had when they started replacing phone lines with VOIP.

@stefano The most recent alarm and camera system I dealt with required a static IP for the client system to authenticate to their cloud. They owned the hardware on both sides of the connection but still needed a static IP. ;<(

@stefano Sure does seem like all this technology going wrong in unprecedented ways is because this seems to be the first time where we expanded technology this aggressively and just chucked the old system that could easily have been an emergency backup into a landfill.

@stefano We're having a new kitchen, to replace one that's around 40 years old. The salesman was trying to sell us all sorts of gizmos. Our response to most was:

* Will the server still be working in 40 years time when this new kitchen wears out?

And even for things that didn't need servers

* Isn't that just another complicated gadget to break down? - will the spare parts still be available in 40 years time?

@stefano SIM cards ain't perfect too. I remember you the case of the alarms of failure on the Italian railroad system: when a real failure happened no alarm was signaled.
People at RFI forgot to pay the annual subscription to the service for the SIMs, and they ended disabled.

@stefano @FediThing I was reflecting on this when I read an interview I had with a blogger more than years ago, when I said that "internet of things gives us a better barrier-free world" I was referring to digital accessibility (my professional field). And I was updating an interview of years before.
I'm noticing that in less than 10 years conditions have changed. It's not me fully changing my mind, but I realize I was talking with certain given conditions: investments in accessibility (even from institutions), services working, and so on - in the end, being enthusiast of a way of working because you sell it, or because it -temporarily- works for you, can't be like a mathematics rule. It can't be engraved with fire somewhere.
Conditions have so much changed, with America doing what it does, with Russia and eastern countries being into conflicts, etc... Many of us basically rely on an unstable reality.

@stefano I remember reading about old school alarm systems that used positive and negative signaling over multiple wires to confirm functioning. Any sort of outage would cause the alarm to go off, both at the local site but also in the security company office. This system seems damn stupid. All any burglar would need is some sort of cell phone jammer placed near the box.

@stefano
He hasn't lived long enough to lose something expensive and still working to a company decision.

@stefano The lifts in my building were out of commission for a day or two when the company that owned them suddenly realised, right *after* the phone company had switched off the 3G network in favour of 5G, that the lifts' alarm systems relied on 3G....

@EUCommission Se non posso usare le app bancarie sul mio telefono principale, che è senza i servizi Google e Play Integrity, devo per forza avere 2 telefoni. Pensate prima a questo e poi al riciclo.

@EUCommission Sverige är top 3!

@EUCommission or, deal with the SW problem so those phones can be used for other things. force vendors to release technical documentation for outdated phones so we can build SW for it ourselves. and I don't mean only soc, but also actuators, cameras etc

@EUCommission
Some may be used without SIM as media players and/or cameras.

The walled gardens of Apple & Google need ending so that people can add and remove apps. Banks and other artificially make phones obsolete by Apps that only work on recent iOS or Android even when the phone OS is still supported.

We need a bigger picture than repair & recycling.

@EUCommission There's nothing "circular" about it, if we keep on buying more and more of everything year after year. The first rule to be circular is to stop growing. Circles have a constant radius.

#CircularEconomy #Degrowth

@EUCommission

Or you could legislate against developing software at a rate thats imposible to use in a sustained form the same device for more than 2-3 years before having to dispose it?

Edit: or at least having some kind of limitation or obligations on device companies to make products that endure at least X years...

@EUCommission

@EUCommission awesome! Now do home appliances. Refrigerators, washing machines, dryers, dishwashers and televisions need the same treatment.

@EUCommission I kept all of my old ones. I don't think it's a lot for a 30ish years span 😏 I also have 2 landline phones (not in the picture) ☎️

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Nokia 3110 (top left) Nokia 8310 (top right) Samsung Galaxy S2 (bottom left) Samsung Galaxy S8 (bottom right)

@EUCommission
Maybe we wouldn't need to keep them as hot spares if there was legislation that crucial everyday tasks could be done without a smartphone registered at either Apple or Google.

@EUCommission Recently bought another couch secondhand. Reason i had to buy another couch was that the components *read springs* could not be bought seperately at the store i bought the original new couch. Yes, handing in old equipment is a good idea but also the right to repair or to not have to buy a completely new/different thing because of not being able to repair. *also* focus on that.

@EUCommission
Jetzt müssen "nur noch" die #Smartphone-#Betriebssystem|e so gestaltet sein, dass man diese SELBST ersetzen, erweitern, bereinigen, kontrollieren kann und seine Daten EINFACH von einem Telefon auf ein andere umziehen kann!
#OhneCloudZwang
#Interoperabilität
#interoperability
#Standardisierung
#standardization
#standardisation

@EUCommission stop trading with Israel.

@EUCommission Have you considered making that easier? In order to dispose of my ewaste I need to make an appointment (!) at the local recycling center, find someone to drive me there as they hate pedestrians, queue like some kind of indolent buffoon in spite of having an appointment.

@EUCommission

@EUCommission probably no one reads it here, but you should give some resources to @postmarketOS , since they are the forefront for this problem; and they tackle it even before recycling, making these devices reusable.

@EUCommission i have a netbook with 1 GB of RAM that im finding it much easier to repurpose than a phone with 3 GB of RAM and a much more powerful CPU

being able to remove the battery easily, run directly from the charger without a battery connected, and have an open bootloader so that i can install a modern and lighter operating system on it, while also not relying on whether google decides if my device is allowed to be useful or not because I chose the operating system instead of letting the OEM choose it for me (and then the OEM drops support much sooner than I'd like to keep using the device for) would reduce e-waste much more than disposing of the old phones

sure, i agree disposing of old devices to recycle them is a good way to prevent e-waste and save resources. but being able to keep our devices for much longer than is currently the case would be even more effective at that

@EUCommission
Unused phone means bad hardware then ? Europe kills GSM networks, garbaging lots of working devices, and let big tech companies cheating customers by telling them to change their WORKING phones every 2-3 years.
Got a Nokia 3310 ?
👍 Was European, rock solid, made to call & text using standards.
👎 Today, networks used killed, European company bought by big tech, US Android as the only OS, loaded with GAFAM bloatware, locked stores and RCS as the texting standard.

Where's EU?

I'm looking girl

@EUCommission

Pro Čechy mezi námi … https://remobil.cz/ organizuje sběr starých mobilních telefonů v Česku a mezi jinými možnostmi sběru kterákoli prodejna T-Mobilu by měla být sběrné kontejnery na staré mobily (i pro mobily od jiných providerů).

#PSA #Česko #Recycle

@EUCommission Hello everyone I'm new here please

@EUCommission

If the smartphone is fairly recent, consider donating it for refugees:

https://en.reset.org/donate-phones-and-save-lives-wir-packens-an-collects-old-smartphones-for-refugees/

(There may be similar initiatives in your country)

It is fairly common for #EU countries to follow the racist and xenophobic lead of the @EUCommission and walk the extra mile to make the lives of refugees as miserable as they possibly can. From the article linked above:

»With a phone as their smart companion, people on the run can recognise their current location, communicate with relatives and friends and, in the worst case, also record crimes and offences. This is because officers often commit bodily harm at border crossings or push back fleeing people via illegal pushbacks. Using a smartphone, fugitives can at least record evidence to report border officials at a later date. However, Daniel Looser from “Wir packen’s an” describes it as a “completely normal tactic” for mobile phones to be confiscated along with other items during border controls. Charging sockets are also regularly destroyed, rendering phones unusable a short time later.«

@EUCommission That’s a staggering number—turning unused phones into a resource instead of waste just makes sense. Repairability and proper recycling could really reduce dependency and make the whole system more sustainable 📱♻️

@EUCommission One of the nice things that could "be the norm" is smartphones that can properly function without a battery. Too often when the battery's dead, the device is out. Or if someone wants to use a smartphone that isn't able to phone anymore as a computer for other tasks, then it would need to be plugged in for long periods of times and it's risky with a battery (no matter the so called over charging protections). An easy way to do that could be pretty useful to avoid e-waste.

@EUCommission Allow unlocking the bootloaders would stimulate clean and safe OS alternatives, longer life for devices and independence from US tech. The EU could enforce it with the impulse of the EC. Stop #enshitification.

@EUCommission

Some older Android phones can accept @GrapheneOS so they can be used again rather tha recycled 🤨

@EUCommission
Help promote #fairphone then ! @WeAreFairphone

@EUCommission also good to add that

Starting from June 20, 2025, smartphones and tablets sold in the European Union must have a minimum of 5 years of software support

@EUCommission you should add a link to a list of places where you can give your old phone to.
Recycling it is better than when the city puts 90% of it into a landfill....

@EUCommission you could try banning locked bootloaders, or at the very least make it mandatory to open them once os updates stop

@EUCommission i've got at least 14, make me an offer

@EUCommission This is great! But you know what would be even better than collecting items we've already paid for, and recycle them to sell them back to us?

- ban planned obsolescence in hardware, software, and accessories
- mandate hardware and software must be cross-brand compatible

Recycling is good, but it more so creates new industry loops with collecting, extracting, reusing, repackaging, rather than effectively reducing the need to buy more on consumer or industry level

@EUCommission so many replies airing grievances and none has asked what the percentages in the infographic refer to!? 😂

@EUCommission or better promote modular, repairable and upgrade-able phones so we don't need to dispose of them. Don't you think?

@EUCommission

There are around 700 million unused phones in EU homes.

How do you come to that figure, presumably by guessing or industry wishful thinking..

Old Xiomi in my house steers my solar system, Only connection, Connection is to my Delta Pro by Bluetooth.

Soon I will have a lovely non Google Huawei Honor 9X Pro I can not do Banking with it any more. Thanks Ing..

That will then stay in a car holder.
OSM And plus local Maps for Navigation.

Another connects a computer to wifi.

@EUCommission

Maybe start toake it possible to give a phone a longer life instead of must have a new one every 3y due to battery problems

As in:- forbid the programmed 800 times charging before the battery dies
- have manufacturers use silicium batteries as they are not only faster, they also have a much longer life and are more environmental friendly.
Yes that is possible on a phone. I am typing this on one with silicium battery... About 1400 times charging, the company said.
- open source phones. Break the money monopoly of Google on androids (I can't speak for iPhone, I never had nor will have one), have people use their own choice of apps and REAL privacy.

Start with the manufacturers for once. Make them take the old phones back for recycling, by having easy acces points.
Don't start with the civilians. They will follow automatically when the manufacturers change their atitude: Money money money ..

@EUCommission seeing Ireland in the number 1 position. Looking at my collection of old phones.

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@EUCommission or we can make sure phone vendors keep them working and can donate old phones to people who are less fortunate

RE: https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/@EUCommission/116503806129136765

@EUCommission I was surprised to see Ireland in the number one spot. But then my "old phone" is literally on the desk in front of me.

@EUCommission
If they weren't all crap, we wouldn't need backup ones.
Why is is legal to be forced to use Google Play Spyware to be able to "securely" use almost any bank in EU?

@EUCommission

I keep mine for legacy software support no longer on newer devices such as bi-directional phone recording on Android 8 and below.

@EUCommission so stop promoting and protecting the monopolies that make people discard those devices early in their life. Stop making and funding apps for the google and apple systems, create rules that demand public services to be truly software vendor and distributors neutral.

@pes_maravilla Yo lo tengo rn mi propio servidor end una raspi. Tengo povos conocimientos pero conseguí montarlo con in ssd de 250GB

@pes_maravilla Me monté una máquina de bajo consumo en casa y virtualicé con Proxmox. Añadí un Nextcloud que lo tengo para fotos, documentos como repositorio de notas para Joplin. Me ha dado muchas alegrías pero la movida es que hay que echarle un poco de tiempo de vez en cuando para mantenerlo y actualizarlo. Los documentos estoy pensando llevármelo a Paperless que tiene buenísima pinta.

Mientras tanto Stephen Miller usando a su mujer embarazada¹ como escudo humano porque por supuesto si alguien iba a hacerlo tenía que ser él

[¹] de Musk, probablemente

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Miller siendo evacuado escondiéndose detrás de su mujer embarazada, mientras le toca una teta