taquiones.net is a Fediverse instance that uses the ActivityPub protocol. In other words, users at this host can communicate with people that use software like Mastodon, Pleroma, Friendica, etc. all around the world.
This server runs the snac software and there is no automatic sign-up process.
@walsonde #DeltaChat specially the client I made for it #ArcaneChat :3 https://arcanechat.me
I love the delta.chat project but I think they need to be a bit less closed off, a bit more transparent and collaborative for a change a lot of the work feels like it's almost happening behind closed doors, within their bubble but not with anyone outside which I feel majorly hinders some contributions from happening that might push delta.chat forward; For example, I wrote up some thoughts on getting sticker packs implemented in Delta, how we might do simpler usernames and such, but neither of these seem like they were acknowledged much outside of a tiny bit of discussion happening I feel the only glimpse we get as to what's happening on the inside is when a talk or blogpost happens, and even if that wasn't the case it'd not be very easy to tell from the outside where to go and where to discuss;
@delta is there a command line client for #deltachat ?
@delta
#DeltaChat nutzt das Email-Protokoll kann von daher als Email-Anbieter verstanden werden, auch wenn man vom Layout her damit chatten kann.
Email-Anbieter sind keine Anbieter von digitalen Diensten:
"Laut OLG ist ein E-Mail-Anbieter schon kein Anbieter von digitalen Diensten im Sinn des § 21 TDDDG. Danach sei ein digitaler Dienst als ein Dienst im Sinne des Art. 1 Abs. 1 b) der Richtlinie (EU) 2015/1535 definiert, mithin als "elektronisch erbrachte Dienstleistung". Laut OLG folgt aber aus Art. 1 Abs. 3 der Richtlinie i.V.m. Art. 2 c) der RL 2002/21/EG klar, dass TK-Dienste keine digitalen Dienste im Sinn des § 21 TDDDG sind. "
https://rsw.beck.de/aktuell/daily/meldung/detail/e-mail-anbieter-muss-keine-auskunft-ueber-nutzerdaten-geben
Von daher muß ein Email-Anbieter keine Nutzerdaten ausliefern.
So sieht es für Deutschland/EU aus.
What if a state tries to mandate us as #deltachat app devs/distributors to shut down a chat profile?
Nothing. It can't be done.
We have no list of chat identities, have no handle or data about them, and don't mediate the message transfer.
However, EU #Chatcontrol politicians and Russian authorities would want us to insert backdoors into our FOSS code. But that is nothing than can happen overnight, and we are fine with friendly forks already. Resilient private internet communication ftw :)
Delta Chat is hard to classify when your question is violently binary.
Federated or P2P?
#deltachat is more P2P than #Briar in that we implement a P2P group model while Briar routes everything through a central administrator who owns the group.
E2EE Messenger or e-mail?
#chatmail relays are aiming to be like Signal servers in many ways, but are based on IETF standards around TLS, OpenPGP, MIME, SMTP etc., stripping them all down to the core that we actually need. Quite fun :)
@avoca @mcc i didnt mean for it to be, but #session relies on a #cryptocurrency for the network to function so it shouldnt be on the list anyway, its just a way to start thinking about the different categories of encrypted messengers, #deltachat and #simplex would either be categorised alongside federation or be in a category halfway between federation and peer to peer, #cwtch and #meshtastic would go in the p2p section
💬 Mensajeria Segura, Cifrada y Descentralizada con #DeltaChat @delta
⚙️ Usando la infraestructura de correo de @mayfirst May First Coop me creo una cuenta para correo que utilizo para mensajería segura en mi dispositivos, ,
,
y winbugs .
🌍 https://delta.chat/en/2024-03-25-crypto-analysis-securejoin
🌍 https://help.mayfirst.org/en/guide/how-to-configure-email-on-my-device
#cifrado #privacidad #infraestructura #degoogle #softwarelibre
Woah! Only now did we discover a great blog post from @wq who discusses the progression from hosting a #Matrix , a #Snikket and a #SimpleX server, to now running a #chatmail relay https://runtimeterror.dev/self-hosted-chatmail-relay-for-delta-chat/
It's an excellent read, with lots of good advise, including having a public "hello" profile and another unpublished chat profile for private chatting. #deltachat apps have pervasive multi-profile support (and multi-device support) so it's pretty easy to establish such a two-profile setup.
#deltachat is being used in virtually all world regions where one or more other messengers fail to work. We recently released a major milestone (V2 security hardening releases) that prepared the ground for chat profiles to have multiple #chatmail relays at once ... failure or blocking of a single relay would not disrupt chatting anymore. But multi transport also helps with the "centralization problem in decentralized systems" ... https://delta.chat/en/2025-06-04-surge-donations#funding-for-a-globally-scaled-chatmail-relay-network
(Funding is looking good currently btw!)
Je tombe sur un site avec une carte des groupes de messagerie pour les mobilisations du 10 septembre et je vois quasiment que Telegram d'utilisé https://indignonsnous.fr/
Comment ça se fait que ce truc a pris plus que Signal alors que le chiffrement dans les groupes telegram ne fonctionne pas https://www.phonandroid.com/vos-messages-telegram-sont-ils-vraiment-chiffres-ce-nest-pas-si-simple-que-ca.html
Ça plus le fait que son fondateur trempe dans des trucs louches qui puent la barbouzerie https://web.archive.org/web/20240914130310/https://www.francetvinfo.fr/internet/reseaux-sociaux/pavel-dourov-une-demande-de-naturalisation-impulsee-au-plus-haut-niveau-de-l-etat-malgre-des-alertes_6772294.html
Utiliser telegram c'est utiliser un outil d'un pote de macron c'est ça qu'on veut ?
Bref, virez moi cette merde et prenez au moins signal
Ou delta chat mais pour ça il faut être un giga chad
@Linux nice to see #DeltaChat there 😍
I was a dedicated Signal user for ages, until...
Whilst I was transferring my account from and older iPhone to a new iPhone there was a technical communications 'glitch' between the two devices.
Signal immediately locked my entire account for 7 days as a 'security breach'.
I lost contact, instantly, with my children, my work colleagues and my friends.
Signal Customer Support wouldn't help and just plain stopped responding to my pleas for help.
At that point I was done with centralised messaging services, secure or not.
I moved to a decentralised FOSS secure messenger and haven't looked back.
And, to quote you, "you should too if you can"...
Sometimes we are surprised ourselves how well everything works :)
- cross-platform #deltachat releases every 2-3 months, with a focus on never breaking the world despite significant underlying changes
- many #chatmail relays humming along, including the default onboarding one serving 230K monthly users with ~0 admin hours needed
-lively and sometimes controversial discussions among the diverse dozen core contributors, with an evolving shared vision, both short and long term
Toi Toi Toi
@ben @delta yeah, dumber is smarter here :) and even more powerful:
in contrast to #signal, #whatsapp, the second device in #deltachat is competely independent and self-sufficient. the original device is no longer needed afterwards
@kris you might tap into this video resource https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT38FfOXv1E for someone discussing #deltachat in russian -- as far as we know delta chat remains pretty usable in russia despite some attempts to block (and a court case) against us.
@travisfw cleartext email is supported but not recommended and not a #deltachat priority. If your main interest wrt delta is cleartext email it may be better to checkout other mail apps, or to try to motivate would-be-contributors to work on a classic unencrypted-focused "deltamail" fork. You can criticize this stance but its not very ambiguous.
@lavergnetho sounds like #DeltaChat would fit well with your situation, what you get:
warrantied end to end encryption for all your (group) chats
nice multi-device support, no need for a main device, chat from any device, if a device dies you can continue from another without losing a single message
easy migration from one device to another even across platforms
super easy onboarding, good multi-profile support
in-chat widgets and tools that work totally p2p without any 3rd party
1/2
#Whatsapp on #iOS had a severe 0day that was exploited in the wild for some months, and is fixed with august 20th releases https://hackread.com/whatsapp-0-day-exploit-attack-targeted-ios-macos-users/
Last year #signal also had its multi-device functionality exploited in the wild. https://thehackernews.com/2025/02/hackers-exploit-signals-linked-devices.html
FWIW #deltachat has a dumber multi-device sync model, no device linking, depends on being in the same WiFI for setup (therefore no easy remote exploits), and #OpenPGP signatures and verification for ongoing usage (like all other E2EE messages).
@lavergnetho did you consider #deltachat?
While most of the feedback on the #deltachat V2 releases has been positive, some users sense a de-prioritization of "classic unencrypted email" usage.
Indeed the current dozen or so contributors aim to evolve an exceptionally resilient and versatile private messenger app suite, with end-to-end encryption the primary focus and design foundation.
However, we would support friendly forkers to develop a classic e-mail focused app suite -- say "deltamail" (work title).
What do you think?
Nah, just use Thunderbird and call it a day: | 137 |
Yes, deltamail apps on all platforms please!: | 66 |
Give up messenger effort, focus on classic email: | 16 |
Something else (feel free to reply): | 14 |
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I have a low-budget #Motorola phone that, after monthly updates, repeatedly prompts me to install apps I don’t want (#Instagram, #TikTok, #Kindle and games). Some apps can’t be unchecked, so the update effectively forces installation. I’m tired of this shit! What should I install and why, between #CalyxOS and #LineageOS?
I'm not really a smartphone person and I only use it to chat with friends and family with #deltachat.
@hiker @delta #deltachat ist für kleine oder mittlere Gruppen, deren Mitglieder einander vertrauen gedacht. Familie, Freunde, Vereine, Aktivitäten usw.
Öffentliche Gruppen wie "DC Community" gehen darüber hinaus und sind als Experiment zu verstehen, mehr sozial als technisch. Zudem war die Super-Gruppe nie offizieller Kanal, sondern "3rd party" - wie einiges anderes, in dezentralen Systemen :) wir wissen nicht alles und wollen das auch gar nicht :)
En cuanto a #DeltaChat @Ganekogorta es buena opción, pero el usar servidores de correo (es muy importante saber cuáles usar) es susceptible a la filtración de metadatos y carecer de una opción nativa para llamadas y videollamadas no la hacen tan atractiva para el común de los mortales que están acostumbrados a dichas opciones en aplicaciones como WhatsApp, Telegram o Signal.
Creo que cada persona debe conocer su nivel de riesgo y así mismo elegir la aplicación de MI que mejor le sirva.
people trying to agree on the best #decentralized messaging solution 😁
As far as we know #deltachat supports the widest range of old mobile devices. And it's real often hard work to achieve that. For example, on android three (!) rust/networking experts needed to huddle for many days to sort out "how to get own device IP addresses". They ended up implementing several mechanisns suitable for respective android versions. It became part of the @n0iroh network rust stack that powers Delta's integrated peer-to-peer #webxdc realtime networking.
➡️ Wechseln zu Delta Chat.
Einfacher geht's nicht: Profilname ausdenken, Anmelden auf vorkonfiguriertem, deutschen Server von Delta Chat (heißt nine.testrun.org); sofort chatten anonym und verschlüsselt. Metadaten fallen kaum an und werden nur für den verschlüsselten Transport kurzweilig verwendet. Keine Klarnamen, keine Telefonnummer nötig. Keine KI am werkeln.
Delta Chat ist auch hier im Fediverse:
@delta
Es gibt keine privaten Profite dort.
Kostenlos, Spenden erfreuen.
Man kann noch mehr damit machen, aber der erste Einstieg ist einfach, sicher, anonym und verschlüsselt.
Gibt's als App und für den Desktop.
https://delta.chat/de/download
siehe dort auch unter Download-Optionen für andere Plattformen.
@mhdelpino solo tienes que enviarle /stop y ya 😁
truco para el futuro: por lo general si le envías /help a los bots de #DeltaChat te van a mandar un mensaje de ayuda con los comandos que soporta dicho bot
en el caso de PixelSocial tengo que mejorarlo para que junto con la app ponga un texto explicando que puedes mandar /stop para dejar de usar el bot
What are the main obstacles for you to adopt usage of #deltachat apps with your families, friends or communities?
if you have other issues than the poll options please add to the replies. Oh, and those who are also living through heat waves: stay hydrated, and remind everyone else :)
can't get my folks to install another app: | 254 |
lack of audio/video calls: | 112 |
lack of Sealed-Sender/PQC/Forward-secrecy: | 29 |
haven't used it (enough) myself yet: | 139 |
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@methuselah in #xmpp the groups are centralized, server dies, group dies, Conversations is super nerdy, not really on the mainstream level in UI/UX, and in iOS the situation is WAY WORSE with #Monal, in #Conversations groups are rarely encrypted and you get a pretty on your face encryption selector to disable encryption or choose encryption flavor, this is REALLY BAD
I will not even talk about the multi-device support and possibility to easily move your profile between OSs like on #DeltaChat
@blake at first you might not be able to select with which address you write, but having a main address for sending, but in the near future #DeltaChat will get "Multi-Transport" support meaning basically what you want: several inboxes in a single chat list, so you dream might become true in a way, the idea is to have more resilience in case one of the addresses/server goes down, you can keep chatting with the other accounts
We do not aim for #deltachat to be another social media app. No #ai summaries or suggestions. No public directory of contacts. No discovery via outside identifiers (mobile phone or email). Just you and your contacts privately messaging, in a solid simple user interface on all platforms. End-to-End encryption enforced on two layers. #chatmail relays know and retain nothing, no content or metadata. #webxdc apps allow for custom interactions on top of chats.
Contributors and donations welcome!
@Cnoceda explains his way of using @delta and org-mode for collecting things on the go:
https://cnoceda.com/tecnologia/posts/20250615T191346--delta-chat-and-org-mode__blog_tecnologia.html
He adapts the deltachat inbox bot to his needs, just like the free software gods intended. Great stuff!
This week in #FDroid (TWIF) is live but late to toot:
* Slow updates? There's a reason, or 2️⃣
* Don't be surveilled, engage in our research 🔭
* Using #Calyx #CalyxOS? Read now! 💔
* #DeltaChat hits v2, #ArcaneChat soon™
* #NeoStore finally upgrades to Index-V2
* #NewPipe in your 🚗 ? Maybe...
* #Wesnoth is back 🐴 ⚔️
& 164 more updates
- 4 apps archived
Saturday reading break: https://f-droid.org/2025/08/07/twif.html
Tant és quin dispositiu utilitzi, tots ells estan sincronitzats amb tots els contactes i grups del meu compte a #DeltaChat i, a més, fan de còpia de seguretat automatitzada però sense enviar res al núvol de cap empresa. Que tens un problema en un dels dispositius sincronitzats? des de qualsevol dels altres afegeixes un segon dispositiu i fet.
Fàcil i divertit.
Signal and Matrix were founded in popular opposition to the email system but End-to-End encrypted instant messaging via emails works now, and reliably, with #deltachat V2 app releases, and with #chatmail relays forming a growing secure email network that minimizes metadata and enforces TLS and E2EE messaging.
You can't really argue with working code, can you?
Contrary to popular belief SMTP and DKIM and IMAP are no holy ingredients and can be improved upon btw. See eg https://github.com/chatmail/relay/issues/487
@romadiz algunas ventajas:
- una misma app con la misma calidad/experiencia en múltiples plataformas
- mayor seguridad: no es posible desactivar el cifrado accidentalmente
- los grupos están cifrados
- los grupos son descentralizados, en #XMPP dependen del servidor donde se crea, si este muere, muere el grupo
- #DeltaChat es más #offlinefirst, puedes incluso crear grupos mientras estás offline
por supuesto también xmpp tiene sus ventajas como llamadas que hacen timbrar el celular,etc
Anyone using the ArcaneChat Android app for Delta Chat?
I downloaded it from F-Droid some time ago but looked on Google Play today and realised that the version numbers are completely different, even though both have been updated fairly regularly.
Anyone know why? I haven't yet contacted the developer to ask, but might do so out of curiosity.
Several people noticed and wonder about our new #deltachat version numbering scheme: it changed for all apps! #chatmail Core rust library uses 2.X with incrementing X. And apps use 2.X.Y with Y being a numbered release for a core version. Therefore, any app release embeds the core library version which is helpful for understanding and debugging interoperability issues between clients. Others pointed out this is close to "pride versioning" ... We are fine with that :) https://pridever.org/
V2 #deltachat is rolling out after weeks of internal testing, a major milestone revising how end-to-end encryption works and bringing more beautiful contact and group profiles, direct access to chat-shared apps in the title bar and a "new email" action with setting a subject for those using a classic server.
Best of all, users and developers don't need to co-ordinate anything for upgrading to V2 despite the massive security rework behind the scenes :)
✨ My first technical blogpost is out now. ✨
If you ever wanted to learn a bit about how
#deltachat works internally and why we have two ways to communicate with our #rust core, then this is the introduction to read
head-ups #DeltaChat users! Want to help us testing the upcoming Delta Chat 2.X release? read here:
https://support.delta.chat/t/android-help-testing-upcoming-delta-chat-2-6-0-release/3922
@atlza De nombreuses familles (y compris celles avec de jeunes enfants sans smartphone) utilisent #deltachat avec plaisir. Nous recommandons d'utiliser les relais de messagerie instantanée par défaut, de réunir tout le monde dans un groupe et de jouer à un jeu comme 2048. Aucun numéro de téléphone ni carte SIM n'est requis.
@delta @pluralistic #deltachat does it again:). It's so great to hear #cheogram and #monocles #xmpp chat messengers will also support #webxdc
@pancake every post, comment and like in the social network is #e2ee thanks to #DeltaChat, the container super-app, but if you want forward-secrecy-secure ephemeral #p2p communications inside a Delta Chat chat, there is the "Live Chat" mini-app in the store (IRC style plus /me and "foo is typing..." support!!)
@Cappyjax the EU is constantly trying to break encryption with their "chat control" movement, just hosting yet another centralized instance of #Signal will not solve the real problem, we need a decentralized resilient messenger like #DeltaChat, #xmpp, etc.
Nuestro servidor Undernet procesa unos 300 correos diarios correspondientes a la red de mensajería de DeltaChat @delta Hete aquí que sostenemos una serie de cuentas de correo de bots que sirven consultas para personas que acceden a la web a través del protocolo del correo electrónico que en algunos países, es más barato que el protocolo http/https. Es un servicio invisible, o casi invisible que mantenemos desde hace varios años y que fue impulsado desde el comienzo gracias a la iniciativa de @adbenitez@masto.es / @adbenitez@mastodon.social El tráfico de correos en el server, es totalmente cifrado, por la naturaleza de DeltaChat, pero en realidad no sabía con que magnitud se usaba hasta que simplemente puse un contador en los mensajes cifrados que deja pasar el anti-spam y desde el 14 de abril hasta hoy 14 de julio, van más de 25.000 correos procesados. Si sos una persona que usa deltabot@buzon.uy o juegos@buzon.uy dejame un comentario de aliento para seguir adelante. Personalmente no participo mucho en la red de DeltaChat pero la banco (en el sentido sentimental, no en el técnico... que de hecho, también...) La comunidad de developers es muy copada y siempre que me comuniqué con ellos, me respondieron al toque y evacuaron mis necesidades, son tremendos. Arriba. #deltachat #delta #chat #mensajeria
@Avitus @hpk @compl4xx @gaufff @cwtch @element @signalapp @delta what if your phone number or email does no longer work? did you try to install #deltachat in the last year? it has arguably the easist imaginable onboarding, much easier than signal or whatsapp (that grandma usually anyways only set up with the help of their grandchild :)
but sure, things can always be improved ...
Good news! Our developments are back into full swing with major new releases expected throughout 2025 🥳
After the shock February dry-up of funding grants we recently secured substantial private donations, wonderfully helping to hit the ground running 🧡
#deltachat #chatmail and #webxdc developments currently use ~600k EUR per year to support a dozen experts and contributors, to in turn help the wider contributor communities, as well as to realize major new features.
@nomadmisha no worries. #deltachat has its own way of UX and UI. This poll is just curiosity about what other messenger's UX/UI people enjoy and what they'd like us to take cues from.
@delta I think Threema could be interesting for #deltachat when it comes to implementing decentralized groups. Trust levels for contacts might also be worth considering. In terms of UI/UX, I think DC is already significantly better than Threema.
For refining #deltachat UIs and UX we are looking at many other messengers regularly. But we are curious. Which messenger UX/UI do you like most and suggest we take cues from?
Telegram: | 146 |
WhatsApp: | 27 |
Signal: | 273 |
Threema: | 33 |
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@snosrapkungfu I recommend you to give a look at #DeltaChat the onboarding is way more easy and much less resources and disk usage
@babble_endanger I have a #DeltaChat / #chatmail server (https://arcanechat.me) with +4.7k users and it is using only around 1GB of RAM and the more important part, less than 10GB of storage! so I am using a cheap VPS of ~5$/month for it
Tomorrow at #CFC25 there are two sessions about #DeltaChat:
How to set up a #chatmail relay server, an easy way to make your first timid steps with server administration: https://pretalx.c3voc.de/chaos-feminist-convention-2025/talk/TWRT8X/
And an overview on #webxdc apps, and how they bring back computing to your social context, locking out the tracking companies: https://pretalx.c3voc.de/chaos-feminist-convention-2025/talk/9VMYAJ/
The webxdc talk will also be streamed, if you want to join remotely :)
Tenir sincronitzats tots els grups i contactes en tants dispositius com vulguis és només una de les moltes funcionalitats de #DeltaChat que la fan ser una de les millors aplicacions de #MissatgeriaInstantània.
@vampirdaddy @oliof #deltachat unterstützt mehr als zwei geraete, fünf sind kein problem. Woher kommt die falsche info? Weil es "zweitgerät" hinzufügen heisst?
Two of our teams just gave talks at the @passthesaltcon 2025 conference in Lille:
@Xeniax tells the story of "federated messaging" waves and her usable security research, emphasizing "availability" as a key issue
https://passthesalt.ubicast.tv/videos/always-more-secure-analyzing-user-migrations-to-federated-e2ee-messaging-apps-trimmed/ --
@hpk starts off with prioritizing usable security and walks through #chatmail transport layer security goals and #deltachat end-point security status, upcoming releases and prospective work on improving metadata and other goals
https://passthesalt.ubicast.tv/videos/usable-end-to-end-security-with-delta-chat-and-chatmail/
Hice un vídeo para que puedas enviárselo a tus personas cercanas, explicando lo fácil que es dejar #WhatsApp, y por qué es importante hacerlo. 💬
https://fediverse.tv/w/35Lvufq1XW8ZVBTptzYMDS
También disponible en YouTube por si quieres evitar rozamientos 😅.
#SoftwareLibre #PeerTube #Chat #Signal #XMPP #DeltaChat #Matrix
#DeltaChat evolved according to needs of people under repression and continues to do so. The more ignorant and exchangeable we make #chatmail relays, the less their operators have to worry. Having metadata-less, fast and cheap instant messaging relays, that can also operate when 99% of the Internet vanishes in a region, is a key goal. Some way to go still but, already now, is there any other real-world solution that provides better service in internet-repressed regions in 2025?
@feyter Matrix arguably has a different UX/UI focus than WhatsApp/Telegram (both morphing to social media and AI chat bots though) and Signal/Delta/ (both refusing AI shenanigans) but indeed, when it comes to decentralization, there is some overlap between #Matrix and #deltachat but then again also fundamental differences. See for example this little thread https://chaos.social/@delta/114728456492885546
We used to look closely at #whatsapp Usability/UX. Not anymore.
Meta is enshittifying WA to become a social media app, charging companies for access to followers, showing ads, and pushing AI slop down the throat of billions of people.
#deltachat remains all about pleasing private messaging UX. Resilient, secure and decentralized. Its trivial to get started as a family, group or little org. Its trivial to migrate between android, iphone, desktop, Ubuntu touch.
#Privacy and #RightToExit
@gianmarcogg03 there is a lot of #telegram packs available, the bot supports: https://signalstickers.org/ look for telegram packs there, in the future maybe #deltachat will support #lottie (#ArcaneChat client already supports it) and you will be able to export packs from telegram, there is a bot in telegram that allows to export packs
@gianmarcogg03 it is easy to get it, there is a #bot in #DeltaChat that allows to get #sticker packs from #signal
just send the sticker pack URL shared in the post to this bot:
https://i.delta.chat/#9DE7DADDC37828D75499BBDC45CA5FACF50E9B18&a=stickersb%40mehl.cloud&n=StickersBot&i=tHkRoHiugej&s=n0x9TjRcUxo
@Mastodon I added them to #DeltaChat
btw, the mastodon banging on the computer with "error" on the screen when there is a mastodon error is a low-hanging fruit sticker material was expecting to find it in the pack :D